Profile page shows earnings to everybody
Just a query... I'm not sure if it bothers anyone else but, I noticed that when I go and visit profiles on the platform, on the profile pages it shows how much any given artist has earned etc up in the right-hand corner of the profile page. It kind of bothers me that anybody can see that information, that is listeners and other artists etc etc. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that, mixed feelings, I suppose it's there to show whoever visits the profile how much you get played and visited, a bit like follows, likes and subscriptions etc but I'm not sure I like that idea. Does anybody else have any thoughts on that?
Kate McLaughlin last edited by
I think showing the earnings is familiar to people who have seen patreon. I also think it will encourage other musicians to join, as proof of concept.
I think it may also contribute to more plays per artists when the know all they need to do is share on social to get plays. The more Musicoin grows the better it is for all of us!
Neon Insect last edited by Neon Insect
I think it is good to have it there, but an option for those who don't feel comfortable about this, should be in place. I can understand why someone is not comfortable with it. But for my own concerns: I think it's important that people can see, that they make an actual impact.
Another option could also be to have "weekly" or "monthly" revenue instead of all time revenue.
So my suggestion is:
Hey @im thank you for being so responsive, as a new member, it's refreshing to see an Administrator really showing up and engaging as you do
I agree with @Kate-McLaughlin and others that actually showing the MC amount is similar to every modern music platform
And agree that it helps show unsigned artists can actually make money here (like Patreon), when you show the USD$ equivalent of the Musicoin
But I also agree with @Remo-Fiore there should be an OPTION to switch to only showing Musicoin
Patreon has the option to show
- Either $usd earned and active patrons
- Just active patrons
So I think the musicoin version would be a toggle off of usd$
I think @Neon-Insect brings up a question more related to musicoin & blockchain than other music platforms though...
The value of the coin fluctuates
And the amount of coin earned for all time is different from the amount of coin currently available (because you can withdraw coin, tip other artists, etc.)
So I think it WOULD be cool to have toggles to CHOOSE to show, besides the coin available now:
All time coin earned
This year/month/week/day earned
Amount of coin GOALS
(amount of coin artist wants before releasing next song/album/video/merch/live show/upgrade equipment, etc) similar to patreon goals.
The main thing is that bloggers and prospective artists may see $500 earned and report that as a USD $ hard fact, but really $500 earned with coin could lower to $200, or raise to $3000 the next day as the value of the coin lowers & rises.
Therefore plays, playlist adds, shares, songs released, days on the most played chart, are just as important as $usd value.
And I would love to see features like artist goals, as well as playlists featuring artist, musicoin collaborations (other musicoin artists that have songs with the artist), etc.
Full circle though, for the most part I want to see that artists here are getting paid more than other platforms - that's part of the whole point!
- Either $usd earned and active patrons
Soundphaser last edited by
I guess an hydrid solution could be showing the number of plays rather then number of $MUSIC...But I never really thought much about it.
We'd love to collect more ideas from community. So far in the past months, we didn't see similar complain on that. But I totally understand you.
juxta last edited by juxta
This did cross my mind too. I imagine as the site grows (and especially when it attracts larger artists) there will be some that would like the option to hide this.
Not a high priority as there are more important things to work on right now but I agree that it should be on the list.
Remo Fiore last edited by Remo Fiore
@neon-insect Enable/Disable function is an excellent idea so is the alltime/monthly/weekly option you could also add a daily option.
and maybe the actual exchange rate if a $music in EUR and USD so that when someone tips or plays a track they know how much they're actually tipping, but I think that could be overdoing it hahahahaha.
Brian Baliga last edited by
@neon-insect This is (in my opinion) the most logical way of doing things.
When you work retail you get into a really weird headspace with tips; Should we start the day by putting some of our own money in the tip jar so people think, "Wow, a lot of other people tipped, I should tip too!" or should start without any money in the tip jar because then people will think, " Wow, nobody tipped, I should help these people out!"
It's quite the enigma.
Raven last edited by
@neon-insect i totally agree to that. And these options would be perfect. So everyone can chose what he is most comfortable with.
I myself have mixed feelings about everyone can see my earnings.
Neon Insect last edited by
Aaactually....I have a second idea for this.
Well..let's say - an Idea that is related to this.
Actually, it isn't even my idea, because people are doing this all over the place, but just let's pretend for the sake of why not.
In my previous post in this thread, I suggested "weekly/monthly" option. An additional option could be "fundraising". I mean...the name is pretty much self-explanatory, but it is especially interesting for musicians. We have projects going on every time. Be it a new album in production, preparing an upcoming tour or just have the option to say: "Hey, I need this much coins to pay my food."
There is always a need to get friends and fans involved into the project we are working on, to not lose their interest and I think with this, such an interaction would be a huge argument for musicoin as a platform to support artists.
So...how could it look like:
Think of kickstarter maybe. The artist sets a goal of whatever he needs. And we have a live progress bar on track and artist page, so the listener can immediately see, that he has an impact.
Setting up a fundraiser could be an option along with my previous suggestion of "altime/monthly/weekly" earnings.
NoHealer last edited by NoHealer
@remo-fiore In my humble opinion, it's better to keep it for every single track - how much it earned but only in coins - no $ or whatever.
And for artists it's better to reduce for a week or month only.
I think transparency is a very rare thing now, and it has to be kept as long as ever possible.
In other way around, it seems to be a good proof for real artists' and tracks' ratings, not paid by producers or whoever - I hope you know what I mean (no offence intended). But let the ratings be crystal clear and depend on plays only.
So maybe just making possibility to hide tips if artist don't want it'll be seen will solve this issue...?
Kim Wainwright last edited by
@remo-fiore I agree with you. In fact I think it's a major problem which will keep major artists from joining the platform. First of all it's the kind of information that the more successful you are, the less you'd want people to know. Also it makes the platform appear to be about digital busking which has potential to appear amateur. Not a good look. It may well be the downfall of Musocoin unfortunately as there is a lot of competition to be the number 1 blockchain music platform and listeners will naturally be drawn to the major players and bigger crowds. I would like to see Musicoin succeed and be a part of that.
@im Oh it's not a complaint it's just a thought. I was just wondering about it more than anything, I would like to know what other people think about it.
@stoneygate yep that's exactly what I was wondering - Thank you!
So the other day when I had
391 in my wallet (upper right corner)
200 on profile (right beside follows and tips, to the right side)
88 on track page
That was 88 from track plays
200 from tips (112) + track plays (88)
391 from tips & plays (200) + referrals & sign up bonus (191)
I don't know exactly how many coins per referral but that explains it
(if there were 4 referrals it was about 50 coins per referral that's really nice!
I'm assuming the other question of showing HOW MANY MC earned,
is that it remains there regardless of transactions, to give us a sense of achievement, even when we withdraw funds, and to give fans and peers a sense of what we've been able to do with their support
P.S. I posted an embeddable Musicoin playlist today (BETA while the devs make a real official one),
and I posted instructions on how to customize it, in the forum
Stoneygate last edited by
@khaiim Not sure it answers what you're asking, but if you've used a recommend-a-friend invite, then your referral bonus doesn't appear on your profile page MC count. So, when you add up what's in your desktop wallet and your wallet in the top right it will be more than your profile page total if you've had a referral bonus.
@stoneygate I know what you mean.
This is both the conflict and the attraction of Musicoin.
For people who aren't in the community yet, they can think you made more than you did.
This is an example of ignorance, being costly, and hopefully the inflated value they see will compel them to get more active in the community, but... if they don't, does it really matter to us? I don't mean this in a mean way though I just mean, if it's confusing to US, users of the platform, then it would be misleading, but with the forum and being active, we figure it out pretty quick.
But people who are active in the community like us, know that it's
- Only based on how many coins you've EVER earned
- That if you "HODL"ed the coin til now you could make the current rate
- Compels us to HODL the coin longer maybe?
IT IS possible to make the code so that the recalculated $usd amount shows the
previously withdrawn coin with $usd value AT TIME OF withdraw
PLUS unwithdrawn coin with current $usd value
EQUALS currently displayed $usd
but.... this would become confusing in many other ways, which I won't list here, but most importantly on that list would be that people would be wondering why "SOME PEOPLE" have less money per coin than others... LOL
The only really simple solution I see to this whole question is...
Just show the coins earned with NO dollar value.
AND the good news is as crypto currency becomes more mainstream that will probably happen as the $USD won't matter that much
But for now...
Part of what's helping people use crypto and musicoin, is being able to compare the $USD on other platforms to the $MC here. For example
right now on spotify I might get $2 for 1000 streams,
but on musicoin I might get $7 for 100 streams.
That's really easy to explain to those who don't yet get crypto, many people don't even understand what bitcoin is lol
@soundphaser I tend to agree with you there, or even show the amount earned during that given day and then zeroing it out day by day. Obviously, the full amount would be shown to the artist when they view their own profile page.
KHAiiM last edited by
haha @remo-fiore just want to say I love the curious, honest, and candid tone of your posts... my favorite so far was when you ended with "... but that may be overdoing it" hahahah Awesome posts
Iced Note Music last edited by
@neon-insect Sounds interesting.